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with Guy Podjarny & Simon Maple

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AI Infrastructure
Industry Overview
Machine Learning
Open Source
Startup
Technical Deep Dive

Chapters

Introduction to the AI Native Dev Podcast
[00:00:00]
DeepSeek's Game-Changing Model
[00:01:00]
Exploring DeepSeek's Innovations
[00:02:00]
Implications for the AI Industry
[00:05:00]
Market Reactions and Competition
[00:08:00]
AI Infrastructure Investments
[00:10:00]
The Role of Developers
[00:16:00]
Fine-Tuning vs. RAG Debate
[00:20:00]
The Future of Prompt Engineering
[00:27:00]
Traditional Programming Education in an AI World
[00:36:00]

In this episode

Join hosts Simon Maple and Guy Podjarny in this insightful episode as they discuss the latest trends and innovations in AI technology. Featuring the impressive advancements by DeepSeek, this episode highlights how these new developments are affecting major players like Nvidia and altering the AI landscape. The hosts also explore the significant investments in AI infrastructure and discuss the shifting role of developers in an AI-driven world. With expert insights from industry leaders, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of AI.

The Innovations of DeepSeek

The podcast begins with a discussion on DeepSeek's new open-source model, which Simon Maple describes as "mightily exciting and even some might say game-changing." The hosts delve into the technical innovations that allow DeepSeek to train models at a significantly lower cost than traditional methods, referencing Simon's comment on the model's training cost being "sub 6 million."

Key Innovations

  1. Mixture of Experts (MOE): DeepSeek employs the MOE approach, using only relevant experts for specific tasks, which Guy Podjarny explains as "dramatically reducing" the resources needed.
  2. Low-Level Optimization: The company has optimized below CUDA, working directly with GPUs, a necessity due to export restrictions. Guy highlights this as a prime example of "necessity being the mother of all invention."
  3. Reinforcement Learning: Instead of relying heavily on human feedback, DeepSeek uses models to evaluate and improve reasoning, which Guy notes as reducing the "amount of human feedback used."

Implications for the AI Industry

The advancements by DeepSeek have sent "shockwaves" through the market, affecting major players like Nvidia, as Simon notes with the significant drop in their market value. The discussion highlights how these developments challenge the traditional barriers and open the field to more competition.

Key Implications

  1. Cost Reduction: With models being cheaper to train, the barrier to entry for new competitors is lowered, leading to increased competition.
  2. Business Models: The commoditization of AI models could change the business dynamics, as Guy Podjarny points out, questioning if foundational models can remain a viable business.
  3. Market Impact: The episode notes the significant market reactions, with Simon quoting a "700 billion reduction in market cap" for Nvidia.

The podcast also covers the massive $500 billion investment in AI infrastructure by companies like OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank. Simon and Guy discuss whether this investment is justified in light of recent advancements that reduce the cost of model training.

Discussion Highlights

Geopolitical Dynamics: Guy Podjarny mentions the interesting geopolitical implications, with announcements made from the White House and the involvement of various international players.

Continued Relevance: Despite cost reductions, the need for significant infrastructure investment remains, as computing power is still a bottleneck.

The Role of Developers in the Age of AI

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the evolving role of developers with the rise of AI. The conversation touches on whether traditional programming education is still relevant and how developers can adapt to these changes.

AI Infrastructure
Industry Overview
Machine Learning
Open Source
Startup
Technical Deep Dive

Chapters

Introduction to the AI Native Dev Podcast
[00:00:00]
DeepSeek's Game-Changing Model
[00:01:00]
Exploring DeepSeek's Innovations
[00:02:00]
Implications for the AI Industry
[00:05:00]
Market Reactions and Competition
[00:08:00]
AI Infrastructure Investments
[00:10:00]
The Role of Developers
[00:16:00]
Fine-Tuning vs. RAG Debate
[00:20:00]
The Future of Prompt Engineering
[00:27:00]
Traditional Programming Education in an AI World
[00:36:00]